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13-12-2008, 04:34 AM
 
Interest rates are on the way down.

My question is, how low will they go and how long will they stay low?

...and what impact will this have on property prices?
 
 
 
 
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14-12-2008, 10:27 PM
 
There is much talk about interest rates going as low as 2-3% here in Aus and even lower to 0% in other countries especially in Europe. I feel that 2-3% is fair but here is my question; at what long term cost will this be?

I realise that the idea is to stimulate business growth and capital expenditure and obviously create or maintain jobs within the economy or are we just going to see a continuation of the current debt bubble that has not been let to fully 'pop.'

Interest rates, I feel, may hit the low point by the end of next year and probably stay that way for maybe 12 - 18 months before slowly heading back up and stabilising around 4-5% by about 2012. I have no basis or theory to base this upon; it’s just a gut feel. I feel the current interest rate cut is not going to teach people the lessons of the current debt bubble and they are going to continue buying their plasma screens and Toorak tractors for their McMansions on an extended mortgage, thus continuing the crisis we are in.

The only good thing is that no deposit home loans should be out the door by then so the people who shouldn’t have been able to afford it this time around wont be able to next time.

As for house prices in all of this, I am still seeing signs of prices coming down a little in my area (SE Melbourne) in the $500k to $1Mil category as well as the high $400's coming down to low $400's. Over time I feel this may settle a bit and maintain a norm about 7-10% below what we are seeing now. This may only last for a year or 2 at the max until normal capital growth will surpass the deflation in prices. I only hope that people this time around aren’t suckered in by real estate agents and buying into houses just for prestige instead of buying a home for their family. (i.e. they are not buying above their range)



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17-12-2008, 07:51 PM
 
I believed another 0.50 - 0.75 was on the cards and with the US cutting rates today to 0.00 - 0.25, then I hold that belief more firmly now. As for any lower than that, I think the economy (and housing prices) would have to fall more than is currently predicted for any bigger rate cuts.

If/when rates are cut in Feb 09, then that will be my signal to start locking in my loans on fixed rates.
 
 
 
 
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20-12-2008, 01:09 PM
 
I did predict the last two rate cuts ...and I believe the rba will cut it again by 1%...I doubt they will wait until Jan 09....figures from retailers are already down,,,so a base rate of 3.25 is still the highest in the world....that means interest rates for home loans of 4.25 it is still too high..but better than the almost 10% I have been paying
I am hoping for home loans to go down to 3% and then I will lock it in for about 3-5 years...
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20-12-2008, 01:38 PM
 
and small businesses....who are amongst the largest employers in this country, the alternate is the government would be paying out far more in unemployment benefits for all those jobs that are about to be lost.

Unfortunately the banks and lenders are waiting weeks to pass on the costs, and some are not passing on all of the rate cuts...

More pain to come in the stockmarket...look at CBA this week and the mess...capital raising and a further 2 billion in bad debts....
so there will be even more investors turn away from stocks, and bank depost rates will continue to go down....what is the safest investment left.....but that one is qualified....its only safe if it is chosen wisely.....and not like Sydney's West where they were selling housing commission homes for $300,000 to people with no jobs...or income....
 
 
 
 
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and small businesses....who are amongst the largest employers in this country, the alternate is the government would be paying out far more in unemployment benefits for all those jobs that are about to be lost.

Unfortunately the banks and lenders are waiting weeks to pass on the costs, and some are not passing on all of the rate cuts...

More pain to come in the stockmarket...look at CBA this week and the mess...capital raising and a further 2 billion in bad debts....
so there will be even more investors turn away from stocks, and bank depost rates will continue to go down....what is the safest investment left.....but that one is qualified....its only safe if it is chosen wisely.....and not like Sydney's West where they were selling housing commission homes for $300,000 to people with no jobs...or income....
G'day Kincella
Good to see your post - must be the same nick!
You correctly predicted rate drops I recall and I remember getting on my soapbox in Sept stating that the .25% drop was meaningless and we would have the RBA chasing rates down quicksmart and it has happened despite the analysts and economists saying otherwise. I really do believe you will be able to take your time in fixing between the 2-3% range and that they will not be able to hurry on rate rises until such time as the economy fires.

All the signs are highly favourable for Vic and to some extent NSW.

WA is not nearly the basket case many portray / has slowed but is still historically high and only the foolhardy are paying. Its all changing in our favour again and whilst these are unique times I have never seen so much being thrown at so much by so many that when traction occurs in the world economies those of us with tangible assets will be the beneficiaries.

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21-12-2008, 11:18 AM
 
hi passive....yes its me....missed you on that other site....just need LE and a couple of the sensible others to come over here....
figured most of the bears live in WA hence the sentiment....but they talk as if it is the one size fits all australia wide
noticed a dramatic trend in Albury last week on the realestate site....suddenly there was all these new homes listed.....at much higher prices...for months there has been the bottom of the market on that site, and selling at a premium imo, think the range I follow is missing, not in the market, and a similar prop to mine was listed at 385,000 who knows what they will sell it for...but its on a busy street, whereas mine is in a circuit, with a lovely big park in the centre..and mine is closer to the city centre...

anyway I believed it was a dramatic turn....and now Dec they are selling on average two houses a day (its been 1 a day since mar 08, then 1.5 since sept)....a mixture of above average houses, and some fhb types...they do not state the selling price in most cases....
I know its the peak time for selling houses....but its the type of house middle to higher end range that is now selling rather than just the fhb
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21-12-2008, 12:21 PM
 
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....figured most of the bears live in WA hence the sentiment....
The thing about WA is it operates almost completely out of cycle with the rest of Australia (in Real Estate terms). If you invest in WA you need to understand this. Perth hit #2 in median house prices not that long ago, soon we will be #4 or #5 again and not because Perth falls, but because the other states start moving again.

I stopped listening to "Australia" years ago and focused on what was happening locally. What alot of the bears forget (particularly in discussions on ASF) is that the housing market is driven by the common person, not the astute investors that they think everyone is. The common person will see the interest rates come down and realise they can achieve the "great aussie dream" of owning a home and will start buying. Driven purely by emotion and not taking too much notice of the economy.
 
 
 
 
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I'm actually starting to change my mind now and wouldn't be surprised if we don't see anymore rate cuts. In times of cost-push inflation, monetary policy can cause a spiralling problem. With oil coming back, all I am waiting for now is the next CPI figures to see where the increases come from. If oil stays low and food increases are only moderate, then that could be enough for the RBA not to cut rates any more.
 
 
 
 
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04-01-2009, 09:48 AM
 
hmmm, thats the theme in the news yesterday.....I am not convinced....in the middle of some research about Japans problems for the past 2 decades...the biggest problem with their housing woes,....

BOJ did not cut interest rates early enough, ie in the late 80's when housing problems started,, left their rates too high and did not proceed to cut the rates until 1995 by which time it was too late....

the banks stopped lending,...and the banks did not address the bad loan problem....

Japan has a lifetime workforce policy....companies are deterred from laying off workers, regardless of the economic woes for the company,,

almost a zilch immigration policy, 20% of the population is aged over 65...

a couple of links
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...oryId=88156284
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Japan/JG16Dh01.html
http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-b...0071022jp.html
 
 
 
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